Asexual Representation in Heartstopper Forever

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Courtney: Hello everyone and welcome back. My name is Courtney. I’m here with my spouse, Royce. Together we are The Ace Couple, and we are back for a 4th and likely final installment of discussing the asexual representation in Heartstopper. Now unfortunately, we don’t have a season four to cover because for One reason or another or potentially multiple reasons, it did not get renewed for a 4th season, despite the hopes of the creator, Alice Oseman.

Courtney: But as a— I’mma go ahead and call it a consolation prize— we did get a movie to finish the screen adaptation of this story. And I truly do not know what happened here, because I feel like for all of the previous seasons of Heartstopper, it was so hyped up, it was so heavily in the media, it was so heavily on social media, and even on Netflix as a platform itself, I feel like they were advertising well ahead of time, hey, there is new Heartstopper coming soon on this date. I fully did not have this movie entitled Heartstopper Forever on my radar until several days after its release. Not actually having the knowledge of what happened, I think the very nature of the fact that it ended with a movie instead of a final season kinda reads to me like maybe Netflix was giving this a soft cancellation?

Courtney: Like, we will let you finish the story, but we’re not going to give what was originally hoped for and intended in the writers’ room. And presumably along with that is perhaps far less of a marketing budget on their side of things?

Royce: I was wondering when we sat down to watch it, I had to look up if the graphic novel was done and what the movie was supposed to cover. It seems that there were six volumes of the graphic novel along with a small epilogue afterwards. And seasons one through three of the show covered volumes one through five. So the movie was meant to cover volume six and the little epilogue.

Royce: But I wasn’t actually sure, considering this was, what, a two-hour movie, roughly?

Courtney: Mm-hmm.

Royce: I was trying to think. The individual episodes were like 30 or 40 minutes, right?

Courtney: Yeah.

Royce: So even runtime-wise, that’s like, that’s like half the runtime of a season. Maybe a little under. But with that, I wasn’t sure. Was there just less material? Was there— were they cramming more things in or trying to pace things faster?

Royce: What really is the budget difference on a movie depending on how it’s filmed and released versus a TV series?

Courtney: Yeah, those things I don’t really know. But one thing I noticed just narratively is that this movie was very much Nick and Charlie. Which— one of my past critiques of Heartstopper the show has been, you have a lot of characters with very important, nuanced stories that did feel like they were all trying to get crammed into not nearly enough runtime. And at least for me, unfortunately, that did make a lot of these important storylines sort of suffer emotionally, because I really just did not feel like I had as much time with the weight and gravity of some of these themes as I think they maybe deserved. And full disclosure, having not actually read the graphic novels yet, I have anecdotally heard people who have consumed both say that the TV show was trying to Expand a little more on some of the side characters, whereas the graphic novels were a little more focused on Nick and Charlie.

Courtney: So perhaps it really is that the movie was a little more on script and a little more— at least from a focus standpoint, not a verbatim standpoint necessarily. I do intend to read the graphic novels, and I fully suspect ...that I will probably personally like the graphic novels a little better than the TV show itself. Just because the type of story it is and the type of mediums these two things are, I think that’s closer to my natural inclination.

Courtney: And I did buy the first four volumes of Heartstopper, the Swedish translation actually, in a little bookshop in Mora last time I was in Sweden. So I have them, and I would like to read them very much. But as you can well imagine, my list of books to read are a million miles long. And they just haven’t made it to the top quite yet.

Courtney: However, before we get into the actual... ace characters— that’s actually a little bit novel to use ace characters, plural, in the same piece of media. Before we get into what we saw from these characters, I do want to call attention to the fact that from a full zoomed-out scope about the state of asexual representation in media from a variety of angles, the fact that they ended this TV series with a movie on Netflix makes this really weird for me.

Courtney: Because, well, first of all, are we familiar with any—

Royce: No.

Courtney: other instances of— I guess I want to say Western media, because I know a couple of, like, examples of anime that end with a movie.

Royce: That’s what I was about to say.

Courtney: But in terms of, like, Western-made media, I can’t think of any other examples.

Royce: No, I think that’s an abnormal sort of release cycle. We have precedent set for an IP reboot changing media format. Like going from like a movie being made into a TV show or something that was previously made into a TV show having like a movie spin-off or something.

Courtney: But yeah, this being like a full continuation of a story that was released differently previous, uh, this is a little bit, uh, unique. It’s certainly the first time we’ve had Ace Media Analysis that has done this. And I’ll tell you why that’s extremely strange, because ace representation in movies Is practically nonexistent.

Courtney: Practically. Not entirely.

Courtney: This is, you know, we will eventually talk about these movies. I genuinely can’t give you a good reason for why we’ve been procrastinating on these episodes, but there is an episode in us about a movie called Dear Luke, Love Me, which we have followed from the beginning. We backed them when they were— Crowdfunding, uh, for expenses for that.

Courtney: There was also a movie entitled Slow. Both of these are generally considered to be movies that have asexual representation in them. They have their own strengths and weaknesses in that realm, which we’ll talk about in their own episodes. But both of those movies were also not huge releases. The fact that Dear Luke, Love Me, for example, began with crowdfunding, that had a much different trajectory towards production than like a big-budget Hollywood movie, for example.

Courtney: And Slow, while it premiered at Sundance, I want to say that one is Lithuanian?

Royce: That’s right.

Courtney: And one could now argue that Heartstopper also had kind of a quiet unconventional release when it didn’t have the same sort of marketing and hype as the TV seasons of Heartstopper did. Although Heartstopper has been an enormous draw for Netflix. It’s been just a huge, huge show for them. But I’m going to rewatch them, so forgive me if I make a mistake.

Courtney: I don’t think the word asexual is actually spoken on screen. In either of the previous two movies that I mentioned. And so, does this technically mean— because we did hear that word in this Heartstopper Forever movie released by Netflix— does this mean this is the first time the word asexual has been spoken to mean the queer identity of asexuality? With a character, nay, two characters who identify with that ever, possibly. Very, very probably.

Courtney: At least feature-length film. I know lots of short films that have been made about asexuality, but in terms of feature-length films. And for that, I’m going to give it its flowers because now GLAAD’s Where We Are in Film report 2027 might actually have to acknowledge that asexuality exists.

Courtney: It might actually have to do that, and I would love to see it. To give you a little anecdote, we actually got an early under embargo press release for GLAAD’s film report this year, their 2026 Where We Are in Film. And I was a little surprised by that because every time we’ve covered GLAAD’s reports, it’s usually the Where We Are in TV report that we’re talking about. Usually it’s nothing but criticisms from us. It’s pointing out the things they got wrong. So the fact that we’re now on their radar for sending us early press releases is kind of funny to me. But also the fact that we got a press release for 2026 Where We Are in Film And this entire press release and report doesn’t say the word asexual even once.

Courtney: Or aromantic. And yes, on the one hand, it’s because there were not any films released in 2026 that used the word asexual. We did talk a little bit about the previous years where we are in film.

Royce: Uh-huh.

Courtney: Because we were talking about I Saw the TV Glow. Which, if you head back over and listen to that episode of ours, I think there is a very convincing argument to be made that a character in that movie could be viewed as asexual. This is also a character that is widely considered to be trans, but based on their own criteria, they did not count that character as trans. In fact, the only thing they managed to count was not the main point of view character, but another character who is sapphic. And that one they were able to say like, yes, we have enough evidence, we have a word for this. That is the reason that film got counted for queer characters.

Courtney: Which is a bit of a head-scratcher, but with any report, you’re going to need to define what you’re measuring before you do, and that was the decision they made there. But the entire point of their reports here are to make recommendations to the industry based on statistics.

Courtney: So this year’s summary was very much talking about the fact that pretty much across the board, LGBTQ+ characters in film are going down. And in fact, there is an infographic here that very clearly calls attention to the fact that there were zero transgender characters counted in the 2025 slate of films.

Courtney: They point this out because they say that that’s a problem. Why haven’t they pointed out that there are no asexual characters in film? Depending on how you define the criteria for what constitutes enough evidence to say, yes, this counts as an asexual character, possibly never has been.

Royce: Which GLAAD at least does have criteria for that with other identities. In our previous readings of the report, we have said they don’t always abide by their own rules to the letter, but they at least have that written down.

Courtney: Yeah, that actually has been one of our criticisms. Like, why did you count this character as asexual? This in no way fits your stated criteria.

Courtney: So yes, it is a little bit disappointing to get a press release saying, look at how terrible it is that there are zero transgender characters in film this year. Yes, I agree. That is terrible.

Courtney: There should be more trans characters in all media, including film. But not so much as a mention from GLAAD about the utter lack of asexual characters, aromantic characters. It’s— it really is beyond me. But their summary from this year was counting 225 films that were all released in 2025, and the distributors they tracked did include Netflix.

Royce: So...

Courtney: Maybe next year! Maybe because of Heartstopper Forever actually being a film instead of a season, maybe we will finally get the word asexual mentioned in GLAAD’s Where We Are in Film report.

Courtney: Stay tuned. I do anticipate that a film being released as a finale to a TV series is probably going to make things complicated. By their criteria standpoint, because it is a movie that is written and presented assuming you have watched the previous TV seasons.

Courtney: So I don’t know how they’re going to consider that, because the characters we have here— we have Isaac, who’s been the main character we have talked about in previous episodes, who is aromantic and asexual.

Royce: Mm-hmm.

Courtney: He is present in this film. I don’t think he says the word asexual, aromantic, aroace. I don’t even think we see him with an aro and/or ace flag at any point. He goes to a Pride celebration and he has a trans flag painted on his face at one point, so I don’t even think we see his identity flags.

Courtney: But since it is not clear in just the span of that movie, I genuinely don’t know if they would consider that to be an ace character in their report or not. And the very nature of this being how the movie is released, they might have to do some reassessing about how they consider those things. ’Cause there are a lot of queer characters in that movie that You know their identities had you watched the previous seasons, but you wouldn’t necessarily know just by watching this movie. So that is interesting to me. I’ll be very curious to see what they do and how they handle that.

Courtney: It could also be that since it started as a TV show, they’ll talk about the movie in the context of the where we are on TV report instead of moving it over to the film. I don’t know how they’ll handle that.

Royce: Yeah, I would suspect it would be a bit disingenuous to review the movie as a standalone piece of media because it isn’t. It is an extension off of the TV series, like canonically.

Courtney: Right. So yeah, maybe it won’t actually be in the film report at all. Maybe they’ll just talk about it in the TV report. If that’s the case, still an argument to be made that it might be the first time an asexual character is Using and identifying by that word in a film.

Courtney: Extremely cool and about damn time, on one hand. On the other hand, film being sort of its own unique medium that is sort of, you know, not sort of, very much in its infancy for asexual representation in this sense, part of me definitely still wants and needs to see standalone films.

Royce: Mm-hmm.

Courtney: Become a little more explicit with that representation. So, will be interesting to see how this develops in the upcoming years. We may need to wait it out a little bit longer just considering the fact that right now queer characters are dropping heavily in media representation right now, and that’s kinda just a sign of the times we’re in, unfortunately. But our second character is Tori. We have mentioned her and started talking about her journey in previous episodes. I think just as a personality and a little side character, I do think she is probably my favorite character.

Royce: In Heartstopper, period?

Courtney: I think so. I really do. I’ve always kind of had a soft spot for very minor characters with very strong personalities or very strong quirks or habits.

Courtney: And she kind of does serve that. She’s a little bit broody, she’s a little bit moody, she, you know, sips her drink and says something dry now and then.

Courtney: And even outside of just queer representation, just characters in general, I’ve— my whole life I’ve been drawn to that kind of character. Uh, so I am glad to see her officially joining our ranks.

Courtney: This is a character that, even having not read the books, I’m aware enough just from ace community discussions what her deal kind of was in the books. The— I think I mentioned in last season there was like a big, uh, like carnival scene. There was a big Ferris wheel.

Courtney: And I fully expected Tori to come out as asexual in that episode because I have Seen the panels shared online about Tori’s ace scene. And it happened on the Ferris wheel. So when that didn’t happen, I was a little surprised.

Courtney: Now my understanding of this is that they did originally intend to have her come out as ace in that season, but they also very much realized they had too many plot threads in not nearly enough runtime, so they did start making cuts, and that did end up on the chopping block. At the time, I remember reading some articles with interviews by Alice Oseman and cast members talking about how that is a story they wanted to explore in season four, having not yet at that time been renewed for a season four, and now in hindsight, only being greenlit for a finale movie. And my assessment of Tori’s scene in the movie is that from a dialogue standpoint, I actually like it better than what I’ve read from those graphic novel panels. So that’s a bit of a welcome surprise, uh, to be honest.

Courtney: ’Cause I recall seeing on this Ferris wheel her saying, I’m asexual, I’m just not attracted to people like that. And there was a very defensive— and she’s talking to Charlie, mind you, her younger brother. She says, and before you say anything, I know some asexuals enjoy having sex, but I don’t think I’m one of them.

Courtney: And it had Charlie saying, I wasn’t gonna say anything. And yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know.

Courtney: That— In some ways feels very real when you think about Online communication and social media communication, because especially when it comes to these underrepresented identities such as asexuality, people are very, very wary to caveat everything. And especially in very reactionary places like Twitter, someone might say, you know, I don’t like having sex, I’m asexual. And someone might come in and be like, but, but, but some aces have sex. It’s like, I wasn’t talking about some aces, I was talking about me.

Courtney: And that gets very, very toxic very quickly and it gets exhausting. So in some ways this feels very real because that feels like someone who has been having and seeing those conversations online and has her hackles up and is ready for someone to be antagonistic Even though she’s just talking about her own experience. And so I see that. And I see the real-life scenarios that this may have been inspired by. But when you put it in a piece of fictional media like this— I’m not prescribing intentions to the author at all. This is purely my opinion and the way I read it based on how— often I’ve seen conversations like this, how many a-spec people I’ve communicated with over the years. Seeing how often conversations about asexuality start feeling very much like a PSA in media because it’s very safe and very careful.

Courtney: And you don’t really want to let your character be a little messy and muddy because you want the audience who might not know very much about this orientation to actually learn from you. And that was, you know, one of our big critiques about the first ace character in Sex Education, Florence. That was one of our first episodes, I think it might have been our second one ever. It felt like a PSA that was trying to put emotional music over a character we saw for less than five minutes to try to force us to feel something while really just trying to teach us something and not giving us what we need to actually emotionally connect with the character. It was just hoping people would connect with the orientation, not the person, if that makes sense. And so, knowing the scenario that might lead an author to write like this, it’s hard for me to not read that as— Yeah, this is the character saying it, sure, but this is also the author saying it to the reader.

Courtney: And when that, like, fictional suspense of belief gets so broken because it feels like the author is talking to the reader, not the character is talking to another character, that’s where sometimes ace rep doesn’t always do it for me.

Royce: However!

Courtney: I actually think that got fixed a little bit for me in this movie, Heartstopper Forever. I do still think some of the issues of pacing and too many characters and too many plotlines still maybe got a little bit of the better of this character and her plotline. Because she is now— they leave it ambiguous enough that I don’t even want to say dating. She is coupled with A relatively new character by the series standards.

Courtney: And he seems great. We don’t have a lot of time with him. We still don’t have a lot of time with him and Tori. I think I would have been happier if we had more time for them as a couple to breathe and develop.

Courtney: But I also see that Being a movie instead of a season four, they did end up with less runtime than was originally hoped for. So I do think that based on the constrictions they had, I think they did a very good job, all things considered.

Courtney: And even though it did come in the, you know, form of a monologue, which can often feel like a PSA, I don’t think this one did as much as some other Pieces of ace rep we’ve talked about before because of the fact that a lot of the language and vocabulary is just left a little bit ambiguous in a way that really kinda works for me. First of all, it happens when Charlie is looking at the two of them. His name is Michael and he’s out on like a skating rink, he’s training for the Olympics, and Tori’s just there watching him. Charlie’s sitting— Alongside her.

Courtney: And he just says something very flippant like, you know, you two are pretty cute for a straight couple. And she just makes a face at him like, since when are we straight? And Charlie just looks kind of confused and she’s like, how did you not know? And she’s like, first of all, Michael’s always talking about Pedro Pascal.

Courtney: And you know I’m asexual, don’t you? And Charlie insists that he doesn’t know. And I don’t actually know how to read this.

Courtney: I’ve waffled back and forth between Charlie was maybe too caught up in his own life and his own problems and his own love and his own relationship, and he was, you know, dealing with— an eating disorder was a big plotline in the last season, so maybe he just had all his own shit and just was a little too self-absorbed to actually hear information that was being presented to him. Or maybe Tori was just being really flippant and— who knows. But either way, Charlie’s like, I didn’t know that. And she’s like, oh, I could have sworn I told you that. So I don’t know if she did or not previously.

Courtney: That’s also left ambiguous. But I kind of like, actually, that they don’t label Michael.

Courtney: They say he’s not straight and he’s always going on about Pedro Pascal. I don’t know if he’s bi, I don’t know if he’s just gay. We have no idea.

Courtney: We just know he’s not straight, he is with an ace person, and he likes Pedro Pascal. And honestly, I kind of dig it.

Royce: Good enough.

Courtney: I like it. I like it. I really do.

Courtney: And Charlie even says, you know, you two are really different from each other. Why are you together anyway?

Courtney: And I think her response is beautiful. She says, we’re together because Because we’re together. Because we’re Tori and Michael and we’re happy together.

Courtney: That’s all there is. Whether it’s romance or friendship or whatever, that’s everyone else’s problem. Maybe our together isn’t the same as your together or the normal sort of together, but it’s ours. And we are happy with it. And oh my god, if that isn’t The coolest explanation of a queer platonic relationship that I think I have actually heard in dialogue in media.

Courtney: I really like it. And the fact that it was put in a piece of media where there is an aroace character who has, you know, seemingly no interest in A relationship of this kind. Really all we learn from Isaac at this point in the series, having already had sort of his coming out plotline, the sort of learning what aroace is, all we kind of learn from him is that he’s still an introvert, he still likes to read books, and now he hopes to write a book of his own someday. And in the sort of epilogue, we see him typing away at a computer.

Royce: Mm-hmm.

Courtney: Uh, writing his own book. So we love that for him.

Courtney: I like a piece of media that shows two different ways an ace can be. And I like— because this is actually a very relatable ace experience.

Courtney: Because I’ve had conversations like this with, you know, some of my favorite, most beloved gay people who will still, you know, meet us and still not really understand what our deal is. And sometimes it does help to go into that sort of vague, nebulous sort of more vibes and emotion than words and labels, and that like, maybe our together isn’t the same as your together.

Courtney: Because in a lot of ways— And we’ve talked about before, even in terms of direct politics in history, A lot of gay rights activists have really fought to say, we deserve the same rights as you because our love is the same as yours. And that whole love is love, and our families can look just like yours. We can be married, we can be monogamous. It’s romantic, it’s sexual.

Courtney: We can have kids too. We can contribute to society in exactly the way you expect a couple to. That kind of activism does work when the one goal is legalizing same-sex marriage, as one example. But the foundational belief of it is, we’re just like you, this love is the same love, and therefore we deserve the same respect. So that does sometimes fall apart when maybe the underlying love is a little bit different. Maybe it’s not sexual. Maybe it’s not even romantic. I mean, the way this is talking here is giving me enormous queer platonic vibes. And talking about her experience to her younger brother, who is gay and has had a boyfriend for some time now, and so is out as a gay teenager, has a queer relationship, has many queer friends, to still call attention to the fact that like, yes, your— Struggles are still very real and valid, but your perspective, your experience of queerness is still only one experience of queerness, and there is still so much out there that maybe you aren’t familiar with, you haven’t experienced.

Courtney: And I, I think that’s cool. I really do.

Courtney: And I’m actually kind of glad that they didn’t use the word queerplatonic here. I think they could have, and it would have still been good.

Courtney: And eventually, I would like to see the word queerplatonic used in media just to have it out there. But this is still also coming from someone who adored Kevin Can Fuck Himself, because if you ask me, I still think that was the best queerplatonic relationship I’ve seen on TV yet.

Courtney: And they didn’t use that word. I almost didn’t want them to use that word.

Courtney: But— All the different touchstones we got across many episodes was, hey, we don’t have the words for this, but we’re gonna die alone together. And one character was definitely queer, the other character we hadn’t really gotten that implication from, but these two had a bond that was just a little bit different. And all the signs were there.

Courtney: And— I think for the type of show that this is, to have Tori and Michael be what they are and to have that monologue, I think it’s wonderful and I’m glad that it is there. Since they didn’t get as much time to breathe, I’m still more heavily rooting for them because of the nature of their relationship than what I have seen of their relationship. They have a couple of cute moments. So they absolutely do have a couple of cute moments, but when I do compare it to Kevin Can Fuck Himself, like, that entire show was about this relationship.

Courtney: So beginning to end, we got to see how that evolves and changes.

Royce: So remind me, clearly the Heartstopper graphic novel is on your reading list. Have you read anything by Alice Oseman?

Courtney: So, yes, actually, further reminder, what I read was before I knew Alice Oseman as a name, before I even knew that there was an ace character in it, totally unrelated to anything else, I got recommended the book Radio Silence, which features Aled, who is, if I recall, a demisexual character who was originally in Heartstopper. He got removed from the TV show And seemingly replaced with Isaac.

Royce: Radio Silence. Okay, I couldn’t remember. Radio Silence and Loveless were the two that I thought maybe you had physical copies of.

Courtney: I do have a physical copy of Loveless because that is also very much on my reading list. All of you hundreds of commenters, DMers, emailers who want us to cover it, I promise someday it will happen.

Courtney: I have the book.

Royce: So the reason I mentioned this, I was just browsing a bit, and the novellas Solitaire and This Winter are from Tori’s perspective.

Courtney: I had heard that as well. I have heard that Solitaire, um, revolves around Tori’s experience, and I would be very interested in exploring that further at some point, uh, just because I do really appreciate her as a character. Radio Silence I read long enough ago that I don’t remember a lot of very nuanced details about the plot, just a couple of big overarching things. And I do remember that, like, the demisexual reveal really caught me off guard because I wasn’t expecting it. And when I’m not expecting it and I get surprise ace rep, that’s always appreciated. Because for better or worse, if something is recommended to me because there is ace rep, All of a sudden, I have a bit of a higher standard for it because I know what I’m getting into.

Courtney: And it better be good. But if I just get surprised, it’s like, oh, hey, look, surprise ace rep. That’s nice.

Courtney: So Solitaire, I absolutely would be curious about. Loveless, I am curious about.

Courtney: Because for as much as I see and recognize that they did their best with What they had. I’m glad this scene was in here, but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that if that scene was cut, nothing is lacking from the plot. And I do prefer when asexual characters and identities are so integral to the plot that you cannot remove it. And I do think, and I honestly empathize with this, because I’ve done some thought experiments about like, what if I were to write a piece of media that revolved around an ace character? Because I am a part of this community and I know how defensive some people are about certain things, I almost feel like I’d start by writing defensively to try to preemptively avoid those criticisms. And— I don’t think that’s a good way to tell a story, but I do feel like a lot of people who do write about their own experiences, for as much as I fully believe in own voices, I really, really do, I also believe that there is, there’s a freedom in telling our own stories, but there’s also a burden of trying to please our own communities.

Courtney: I think two things can be true at once. And sometimes I do think narratives suffer when we are a little too careful and a little too defensive in our writing. And there are ways to write so that the ace character and their actual identities are so important that it can’t be just changed or removed. without anything being affected. We just don’t have a ton of examples of that yet either to look to as inspiration. There are a few here and there.

Courtney: In terms of books, I’m still really impressed with Chuck Tingle’s book. Gosh, I can’t even think of the title off the top of my head.

Royce: Bury Your Gaze?

Courtney: Bury Your Gaze! I loved that book. And that is a book where the ace character and her own identity are important to the plot. You cannot change her identity or take her out of the book and have the same story and have the same outcome.

Courtney: And that is mwah, brilliant. Really clever way of making sure that that happens.

Courtney: But at the end of the day, my assessment of Heartstopper, the TV series and movie finale. Quite frankly, the most important ace rep we have there is Alice Oseman. I really do think the fact that we have this asexual author who is prolific in terms of number of graphic novels, uh, traditional novels, now a TV series and a movie that have become so popular and resonated with so many people both in and out of the ace community, I think Alice Oseman is the best ace rep we have in Heartstopper. Because that is the one ace quote character that you could not take out of this series and have the same story.

Courtney: With all that being said, I think that is where we’re going to leave off for today. So we are going to leave you as per usual with today’s featured Marketplace vendor, another ace author, if you are looking for more reading to add to Your never-ending to-read list. Today we’re giving a big shout-out to MG Mason Books, a demisexual author self-publishing mixed genre horror and fantasy. The author here, Matt, I am very sorry to say, has passed away within the last year. But all of his works are still available to purchase on the website, Amazon, Ko-fi, Itch.io. There’s a variety of places, and we are going to share the links in the show notes on our website as well as the description box if you are listening on YouTube. If you are looking for some sort of mixed genre fantasy horror, uh, there’s a series of books starting with Salmon Weird, or I personally purchased Being Demi Acrostic poetry and essays on life before and after coming out.

Courtney: I would also be remiss if I did not mention that there is also a bookmark on Matt’s Ko-fi, which is still running and being managed by Matt’s partner, uh, that says, my sexuality is sticky toffee pudding. And the font is very much in the colors of the demisexual pride flag. And I—

Royce: Aww.

Courtney: Kind of adore that. There’s also a variety of ebook ghost stories here, so please check out the link and hopefully you will find something to read that will strike your fancy by MG Mason Books. As always, thank you all so much for being here, and we will talk to you all next time.